Saturday, July 29, 2006

The Carlton Hotel

ONCE the Carlton Hotel was a rich status symbol for Johannesburg; an internationally renowned establishment where the moneyed and the famous wined, dined and slept in style. The five-star hotel - in an upside-down Y-shape that abutted the lofty Carlton Centre, South Africa's tallest building - was always a proud reminder to Joburgers that their hospitality was among the best in the world. Henry Kissinger, Francois Mitterand, Hilary Clinton, Margaret Thatcher, Whitney Houston and Mick Jagger were among the hotel's guests during its 25-year history.
The 600-room hotel, which took seven years to build, opened in 1972 - and closed in 1997 -- because it became too dangerous for people to stay there, attacked as they were if they dared venture out into the surrounding streets.
Today it stands empty, a slowly crumbling and deserted ruin, stripped of its finishings, symbolic of the New South Africa, just waiting to die....
Above: A peek into the desolate foyer of the Carlton, taken from outside through the steel fencing...
Above: The barricaded entrance to the Carlton Hotel, facing into the Carlton Centre.
Above: The outside entrance to the Carlton Hotel: barricaded off to try and stop squatters from occupying the building, as has happened to so many other high rises in the city...
Above and below: Astonishing to think this building, which once hosted banquets, the world famous Three Ships restaurant, world personalities, is today totally empty. It is the second highest building in Johannesburg...

61 Comments:

Anonymous Chicago bungalowdweller said...

This set of pix is absolutely mind-blowing. As an American who visits this site, I can only begin to get and inkling of meaning when I try to imagine the John Hancock building in Chicago empty and deserted.

This is all unimaginable but true. A true tragedy for SA, indeed for the entire continent and a wake-up call to the rest of the world. If such a thing can happen in SA, it can happen ANYWHERE! People world-wide need to get a grip and face reality while they still have the freedom to do so. I remember reading a book about urban revitalization in the U.S. and researchers discovered that once the population tips to black majority,everything eventually goes downward. According to these authors, all-black ghetto areas are deemed "unreclaimable" for future reinvestment or gentrification. The only way the areas can be taken back is through developers buying up huge swathes of land and bulldozing everything down before building new. Literally running the low-lifes off the land.

After the death of Martin Luther King in 1968, Chicago experienced massive destruction on the city's west side. A vital business district along the Roosevelt Road corridor was burned to the ground. The area NEVER recovered. It looks just like some of the pix you have posted elsewhere.

When will people learn that it is not kindness to allow the thug, thief and arsonist to "express" his feelings by laying waste to communities which have stood for generations?

The U.S. needs to wake up and embrace what the late mayor of Chicago, Richard J. Daley said in response to rioting in the city in 1968 when he gave his famous shhot to kill order to the police. "Shoot to kill anyone with a molotov cocktail in his hand. Shoot to kill anyone destroying property." The libs to this day hate the old man, but the s**t ended. That's the only reason Chicago isn't like Detroit, MI today!

5:22 AM  
Anonymous laager said...

The greatest irony of the Carlton Hotel is that this was the venue of the ANC's victory celebration when they won the first full (all races ) democratic election in 1994.

This is where Thabo Mbeki uttered those immortal words: "Free. Free, at last ....... etc, etc,"

Does anyone know where the ANC now retires to for cocktails after a hard day at the office?

Have the now relocated to the top hotels in Sandton?

2:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice are the memories of going to the most elite ice skate rink in the country: The Carlton! And if you wanted to buy the most expensive, exclusive clothing and jewellery, the Carlton was the place to visit!

Laager, the ANC has now formed 'The Native Club' to which only blacks can belong. Ironically, 'natives' was viewed as a racist term in the Apartheid era! They probably retreat to some safe fenced & guarded place where they're protected from other 'natives'...

CTS

10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I worked on that building in the late 60s early 70s it was a flagship in the world of construction and civil engineering it employed many local people and now ..........this is typical of what Africans do to there countries they have no real concept of how to run any enterprise or venture they are very often too tribal and parochial.

6:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I spent my wedding night at the Carlton Hotel. I thought we might be able to go back and "revisit" the night. No such luck!

4:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back in the early-middle nineties I was working in downtown Johannesburg.During lunch time,I usually hiked down to the Carlton center for a bite.On my way there,I passed the Carlton Hotel and because I'm not a native of Jhb,was struck by the magnitude of the Carlton center and hotel.It was still relatively safe to go for a walk in downtown Jhb and I remember many shops in the Carlton Center was open for business and inside it was hustling and bustling with people.

I live overseas now and when reading the comments on this blog,was saddened to read that the Carlton hotel and center is standing empty,occupied by squatters and criminals.What a waste!!

4:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes breakfast at the koffiehuis on a saturday - good memories, good food and excellent service

the irony is that the carlton stood as a symobol of progress and engineering excellence - it now represents the opposite

3:51 AM  
Anonymous Yankey Durbsgirl said...

Back in the early 70's my Austrian husband worked at the Tollman Towers hotel on the one side of the Carlton and I worked in the Trust Bank building on the other. Our favorite place to meet was at the Carlton. The whole center was way ahead of the times in International standards. We left SA 27 years ago and not a day goes by that I don't miss it. These pictures were horific to me. I am angry. What a waste. Shame!!
Can somebody give us a clue as to how the Worldcup 2010 is going to take place in SA??!!! we were considering going over, but I doubt it now that I have seen your site!!!

4:45 AM  
Anonymous qynch said...

Breakfast in the Koffiehuis, Dining in the Three Ships; i was part of a exotic boutiques in the early hey days; But such is transitions where the cultural and material divide has never been narrowed, despite the promises of politicians of all hues, local and foreign.

9:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

World Cup 2010 my arse. The could not host a ping pong tournament!!! Where, pray tell, will any significant number of naive, helpless white folks stay. The blacks must be salivating heavily at the thought of all the white money coming in to steal, and may get a few good rapes in to boot.

5:38 AM  
Anonymous Silverfox said...

It's not just the Carlton Centre that is shameful, it's the entire CBD. It's disgustingly filthy.

A few posts here, make mention of the 2010 world cup. The 'innocent' Europeans coming here are in for a huge shock. Mark my words: Rapes, muggings, theft, assaults and murder will be the order of the day. It will be lambs to the slaughter! Criminals, intent upon their own agendas, will be free to mingle with the crowds, under the guise of spectators. I believe that this site should be utilised as an instrument to deter overseas visitors to come for the world cup.
Use it as a tool to step up law enforcement!

I imagine that the government will ensure that the squatters and beggars are removed from the well travelled routes during world cup. Exactly as they did in Sandton a few years ago, when some or other useless African convention took place. For a few weeks, Sandton was clean!

Quite candidly, I don't give a damn! I live well..I eat well..I earn well. I'm warm at night..I sleep on a full stomach. I only use sub contractors for my business and will never have any permanent staff to be there to toyi-toyi and blackmail me. It's nearly 13 years on since the takeover and nothing....nothing has been done by the masses to self alleviate what they still blame the past on.

Change occurs everywhere, constantly. However, one must accept change and forge ahead constructively. I and many others have. Unfortunately, Africans in general, don't have the capacity to keep abreast of the necessary implementations of change. Not in the European perception of evolutionary change.

It's proven that Africans have a short term philosophy and want everything for today. Had this not been the case, municipalities, hospitals, schools and every other governmental institution would still be headed and run by competent, white staff....as was the case previous to the rack & ruin of today.

9:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The skating rink was terrific...I remember walking in and seeing a picture of the man who taught me how to skate in New Jersey USA..Fritz Dietl...He had fled Austria in 1938 and had bought his skating skills to South Africa...after the war he moved to NJ...the staff at the Carlton Rink was first rate and I skated and played hockey there many times in the 1970s. What a crying Shame!!

ADK
Morristown NJ

9:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Coloured we could only skate at the rink on Mondays but still there was a rink to skate on! Now we can skate every night! People gave their lives for that privilege oh yipee flippin de doo!!
So glad I left in the mid 80's and only return when I really have to! The frustration begins right at Jan Smuts (yeah yeah Joburg International) each time I touch down grrrrrrrrr no disprect to baboons but that's a close approximation to the level of efficiency I get right after landing.
So glad they want to waste zillions renaming the airport because Im sure old man Smuts would not want to be associated with such a sad affair.
Now excuse me while I have a another little cry at these pictures.

3:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We lived in Swaziland in the 70's and used to travel to Joburg and stay at the Carlton often. In fact, my first born was convieved there and I wanted to name him Carlton... Luckily I didnt... but what a shame to see these pics.! I cant believe this can happen in S.A. in the middle of Joburg.. what is going to happen to the centre? Just crumble and decay! What a terrible shame!

8:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cannot believe your pathetically sensationalist and edited reportage - I happended to go to the carlton centre yesterday, taking an australian friend to the top of the tower - Empty the centre most certainly IS NOT -- the place is a buzzing hive - many people (mostly black), vibrant shops, movies and all sorts of STUFF - this evidently does not fit your ideal of a sanitised and wealthy city with the 7 Ships full of rich white Joburgers, fat from the fat of their starving land, but its a living city, an african city busier and more vibrant in some aspects than ever it was back in the clean white day. You do not seem able to realise that the fate of the city - the dereliction you show - has been DIRECTLY caused by people like who - the scared white boys who fled, the terrified white business community who built an alternative CBD away from the contamination of poverty stricken africans in the form of Sandton -- Do you read me? You are the cause of what you show, and you call yourself a realist? You make me want to weep.

10:42 AM  
Blogger The Real Realist said...

Anonymous said...
I cannot believe your pathetically sensationalist and edited reportage - I happended to go to the carlton centre yesterday, taking an australian friend to the top of the tower - Empty the centre most certainly IS NOT --


Hey idiot, get some glasses: this blog is about the Carlton Hotel, which is closed off from the Carlton Centre!

Jeez, talk about mindlessness.

And yes, the Cartlon Centre is full, as is Johannesburg -- just that it is also a crime hellhole!

but its a living city, an african city busier and more vibrant in some aspects

Oh I'd agree there, it's most certainly an African city.

You do not seem able to realise that the fate of the city - the dereliction you show - has been DIRECTLY caused by people like who - the scared white boys who fled, the terrified white business community who built an alternative CBD away from the contamination of poverty stricken africans in the form of Sandton -- Do you read me? You are the cause of what you show

Oh right, of course, its WHITEY'S fault! We went in there and smashed and burned, kncoked down, destroyed, and now we are all nasty racists as well because we don't want to live and work in the smashed, crime ridden environment WE created..

I see, why was this not all explained to me before!

10:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was reading that plans are underway to re-open the Carlton in time for the World Cup in 2010. Imagine that! Nice idea, but someone forgot to mention that it is still in the middle of Crimesville... Take a nice walk down to Ellis Park for a game and return in your birthday suit! Then take that memory back home to Europe with you....

Oh, by the way, I bumped into John Lennon at the Carlton in 1978 - on the escalator. That I will always remember, not the devastated hulk the place has become....

1:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like an earlier contributor, we too spent our honeymoon night at The Carlton, before going to San Lameer for a few weeks. We spent hours playing with the electric curtains. Another fond memory was of when I worked at 702 in Eloff Street, and the founder Issie Kirsh took a US guest to the Carlton Court for supper at about 2 in the morning after returning from the Kruger Park...

The story goes, the guest asked for a menu and was told by the Maitre d' that there was none. "So the kitchen's closed?" he asked. "No sir... what would you like?" He asked for something ridiculous off the top of his head - like crocodile balls or whatever... and they were duly produced. Class!

Some bitter exchanges on this site, though: For the old days and against. Most disappointing is that the arguments haven't changed or brought new insight at all since we left 17 years ago.

Plus ca change.

Ag Shame!

6:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason SA is in the condition it's in now is because of the white racist govenrment before. You whites kill and abuse million of Black countrymen to up hold the carlton hotel an other building for you own use. Did you really think you was going to keep it. Now you are lucky you left alive. That was the blacks big mistake.

8:12 AM  
Blogger sandy said...

I think it is gonna be such a wake up call for the world when they come to see the world cup. Its good that SA is hosting something so big, its about time that the world gets to see how things really are. I hope the crims are out in full force, and shows everyone the best that SA has to offer!!

7:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just sat in shock, lived in Sadton for16 years left in 1997 .It was bad when I left did lots of work in city but this is so sad.
World Cup will be a joke

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I lived in downtown Johannesburg in the early Seventies as a young immigrant from Germany. I lived in 269 Bree Street, Bernash Court, and worked at the German Book Shop corner Wolmarans and Bree Street. There used to be a coffee shop "Swiss Chalet" across the road from us! I remember how the Carlton Hotel was being built, but left before it was finished - but it was THE talk of the day!!!! So sad that I can never show my children!!!

10:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What actually happened to the "Landrost Hotel"???? Is it also closed?? I remember "Ouma's Kitchen" in the early Eighties.....

10:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the hotel looks great to me! Even the Plaza was raunchy here in the Big Apple; that's why it had to be torn down.
Guys, come to see my blog...good writing and good pink-watching.

10:48 PM  
Anonymous TakeResponsibilty said...

The ridiculousness of it all!
The 'victim mentality' thrives all around the world. If only the black community had figured out that the infrastructure they built, and inherited responsibility for, could be viewed separate and apart from the oppressive government that oversaw said building. But no, they just continue whining about the past. Sadly, these people who fought so hard for there rights have allowed their persecutors to have the last laugh.....

9:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was sad and what I saw was completely unbelievable. I lived in JHB CBD in the mid 80's at that time the CBD was deteriorating already but I cant believe to what an extent it has decayed. What is the government doing about this? I have immigrated with the hope of retiring in South Africa hopefully Cape town wont go the same way.

3:21 PM  
Anonymous Jim said...

Looking at these pictures have sent a chill down my spine and the realisation how bad Jo'burg has deteriorated.

I stayed in the Carlton in 1988 when I first moved to South Africa and you could walk the streets safely. This was an amazingly upmarket hotel as well as the mall behind it.

I again stayed in it in 1991 and it was also very pleasant.

....and this lot are hosting the 2010 World Cup. The mind boggles.

1:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No suprise to me, being born and raised in Chicago I have seen area after area go from white to black. The very same thing occurs time and time again, the white man leaves, and back to the jungle society returns. With heavy african immigration into Europe it will be good for the Europeans to see what thay are leaving for their children. Cause make no mistake, it will be the same.

2:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How sad. Have fond memories of the Carlton hotel and centre. Worked in Anderson Street, and lived in Hillbrow. And yes, does anybody know what happened to the Landrost?
As for the other comments: whities versus black, it is an old song, stop living in the past and get on with tomorrow!!!
Left SA in 1987, but still miss the place.

4:36 AM  
Anonymous Rene Halstead said...

How sad to see the Carlton Hotel like this. It used to be just awesome to go to The Top of The Carlton for drinks and snacks after work on a Friday and even better to have dinner at The Three Ships.
What on earth is happening there?

Rene Halstead
Perth, Western Australia
(ex Jhb)

6:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These pictures shocked me to the core. I was having doubts about my decision to move to the UK. (been here since 2003)Now i know i did the right thing. I am originaly from P.E. and i saw the filth and decay starting in Central (a suburb of P.E.) Perhaps someone should start a site called the "Death of South Africa" and show the destruction in all the major cities and towns.

10:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We can understand it if you cannot leave RSA for age Health or age reasons, but what the hell are you good people still there for when the world is your oster, it's now 7 yrs since I left at 54 with my family,sure the 1st 3 yrs starting up a Biz was not a walk in the park but we are alive and healthy, can use public transport and take a walk at night. Australia Rules.

11:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This may sound very strange, but maybe south africa was better off with the apartheid system. yes, it was true that the former nationalist gov't was very harsh,but at least JoBurg was a so called "showcase city". Now look at ,it's very sick to see JoBurg in this condition.
The gov't as well as the citzens need to take more pride, in this city with so much potential.

11:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yes, unless you've tried to do something about the situation you have no right to whinge. So either roll up your sleeves like the rest of us, pack your things and leave or shut the hell up.

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, the Johannesburg CBD has gone South since the grand days of Apartheid in the 1980s.

Properties are being sold for well below what they cost to build (eg 11 Diagonal Street). Rentals are R20 to R30 per square metre.

However, all is not lost and there are some signs of improvement emerging.

Let's take the Carlton Centre and Carlton Hotel for example. The buildings were sold off to Transnet, the government-owned company that runs the railways, airline, harbours and petrol pipeline from Durban to the Highveld. For well below their replacement value, I might add. Transnet have relocated all their staff in the office tower instead of being scattered all over the city. The shopping levels are vibrant. The SA Revenue Services has relocated their Johannesburg offices to the Carlton Centre.

As for the hotel, Transnet have only taken ownership of the place last year, and it will certainly take a while before they start to use it. It's a superb conference centre, has a huge ballroom, plenty of secure parking and many other potentially good things. It's highly likely that Transnet will convert most of the hotel to flats and sell them off as Sectional Title properties. That's the same as a condominium in the USA. Because of the proximity to shopping and entertainment and workplaces, they are likely to get plenty of buyers. Part of the hotel is likely to be kept as a hotel and conference venue to be used by Transnet and others.

The CBD is monitored by CCTV cameras and some progress is being made to reduce crime, although there is a long way to go still.

The Government could help a lot by establishing a special court to hear cases involving hijacking of buildings. Criminals move into buildings and occupy them by renting flats or rooms to low-income virtual squatters. It takes months to get a court order to have them evicted. During that time, a slum landlord can collect millions of Rands in rent. If it was possible to get a court order within a week or two and evict people in under a month, the market for renting out illegally occupied buildings would collapse. That would sort out at least some of the problems with Nigerian and other crime syndicates.

It's possible that this is a ploy to make money. Let the place go to the dogs. Buy up the properties cheaply. Move all the squatters out and deal with crime with effective policing. Improve buildings and sell them at a huge profit. I understand that this scam has been done elsewhere in the World, for example, in L.A.

12:44 PM  
Blogger jebelcat said...

It might sound unbelievable, but worse is to come. Most of my friends who left Rhodesia to settle in SA (180-1990) and those who were born there stay (they say) because of their material possessions. They seem to live with the belief that nothing bad will happen to them. Crazy folks. In 1980 SA attained first world status.They release the "grandfather of terrorism" and SA becomes third world. Why? The answer is staring at you from these photos. SA is unsafe for whites, it is unclean, it is an embarrassment of its former self.

7:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Carlton Hotel is just another sad example of the blacks "I dimund it" approach to their existance. This is proof of the ANC's incompetence and inability to do anything without the usual and almost obligatory corruption, nepotism and sheer stupidity. It's the break it first and ask questions later scenario.

10:08 PM  
Blogger TP-2005 said...

a note on the german bookshop mentioned in this thread: i learnt about it after i had already lived several years in jhb. i frequently visited Dr. Kostka, who ran the shop in the late 80s until his death of a stroke in the early 90s. the last i know it was situated in Jeppe Street.

Johannes

2:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I worked in the Carton Centre in 1990... but visited many times before. My friend owned a wedding shop there (Wedding Way).

Well, I went to the Centre a few weeks ago on a contract... what a mess.

I can't believe I actually could walk the streets safely watch movies at Ster City, actually catch a bus.

JHB is dead.

12:19 AM  
Blogger benoni skinhead said...

WOW i`m lost for words !!
it looks like its in Rwanda !!

2:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is sad beyond words seeing these pictures.

My husband and I were married in Johannesburg in 1984 and celebrated our honeymoon at the Carlton Hotel.

In years previous, my Mum and I were working for a central city travel agency and would often enjoy a light lunch at the Koffiehuis.

Today we live in New Zealand and our only regret at leaving South Africa (in 1999) is that we didn't emigrate years earlier. (We moved to Cape Town in 1987 but then began to see the 'writing on the wall' in this Province too, so considered our options and thought that crossing the seas would be the best for us).

We've lived on the North Island for 8 years now and are extremely happy with our choice of new country.

Our advice is anyone reading this is get out now while you are still living!

5:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not surprised that Transnet would
consolidate its offices at the Carlton. This is a ploy to make things seem not as bleak as they really are. They can proudly point to their having tenants at last.

9:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am somewhat of a liberal, but I have to say, I am not pleased with the New South Africa. I really think moderate white governing was the answer. I honestly think all African countries were better off as British Colonies. the Carlton was a great hotel, and people forget that as it was an American company that ran it (Westin), within its walls it was exempt from the Apartheid contraints to some degree. Anyhow, it is just sad to see Jo'burg go to hell in a hand basket. Why is it that the blacks take good things and just turn them to shit? Maybe I am not that liberal afterall..lol

8:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see that some commenters have mentioned SA hosting the world cup in 2010, well things can only get worse between now and then, perhaps by 2010 when the 'do-gooders' turn on TV to look at their beloved SA and see how its changed, they will realise how much damange they have caused, and that this is only the tip of the iceberg for whats coming to Europe, USA, Australasia (sp?).

Seems like Asia (Japan, China, etc)is the only place where they do NOT have this problem, yet consider how 'racist' they are and refuse to let others change their culture. In HK they still imprison you for chewing gum on the street - OK a little marshal law like, but I'd rather than than fear for my life each second of the day.

Interesting eh.

7:57 PM  
Anonymous broedebond10 said...

blacks fuck this world up london france you name it they are destroying life,i lived in sa for 17years and i would love it if we as whites had more say in the way we want to live,and not be terrorised by these people,stand up whitie

11:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my family arrived in 1652 in the cape and my family left in 1992, I stayed in the carlton court and my fathers friend Russel stevens ran the carlton, what a place ,what style, you cant blame all the woes of the country on apatheid I am not a racist, but Africa is basket case, show me one stable ,well run country there? I am from durban, I wont go back and destroy the memories of the place , I remember it , just like the I remember the club room on top of the Court no menus and nothing was ever too much trouble. so sad ,so very sad.

2:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Friends,
in the 70/80 we where a big Crew of
german/austrian engineers, worked deep underground 6th floor, to build the biggest and nicesd telephonexange for the bussy South-
African Clients. What a Great Time!
Friendly Whites and S.A.Colleges gave as a wonderfull time in JHB.
To Day it looks like everywhere in
Black Africa, thats the Change those Idiods of Greens and Europian/Americian Politcian wont to have at that time. SHAME
I still love "MY" South Africa!
Greetings from Berlin

2:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those of you who try and warn the "innocent" Europeans from coming and getting mugged, raped, killed and maimed during the 2010 world cup, I say shut up and let them come and get what they deserve. I have been living in Europe for close to 10 years now, and I can tell you that the place is so horribly brainwashed by the left wing politically correct education and media indoctrination, that even my family sees me as a crazy racist when I try and tell them that perhaps letting in hordes of muslim and north African immigrants into our European lands is not a good idea. The Europeans are still living in the fat and can afford to be nice at other people's expense at the moment. Of course the ongoing financial "correction" of 2008-2012 will wake them up, but I feel no pity for them. I can see the writing on the wall for Western Europe too, and I am preparing my escape to New Zealand.
Don't be sorry for the Europeans, and don't try to warn them off. Let them experience what they will. Especially the British, who time after time exacted the blood of their kinsfolk in the then colonies when they needed their arse saved in WWI and WWII, only to immediately stab them in the back as they did in Rhodesia, Zambia, and South Africa. Think about this.

1:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That happened in 1984 in Detroit, Michigan, USA. Literally the same story, the Blacks take over ruin the city and a major hotel goes empty.

Here are pictures:
www.forgottendetroit.com/caddy/

10:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pics on this site remind me of the movie The Omega Man,Charlton Heston as the last human left in NYC after a neutron bomb or bio chem attack on America.

2:16 AM  
Anonymous GlobalBuzz said...

There is so much love in this blog

1:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sad to see a once thriving business gone to ruin. I lived in Johannesburg back in the mid seventies and attended St. Johns while my parents lived in Botswana.

My dad worked for the Canadian govt and I had the privilege to live in your great city. It truly saddens me to see what has become of a once thriving area of your city. I remember how proud I was when I saw the hotel in a James Bond movie as a boy and pointed it out to a friend that I had stayed in that hotel.

God bless you guys and gals for bringing this atrocity to the worlds attention and god damn the people that let this happen.

Take care.

2:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I used to work in the Carlton Centre about 12 years ago.
It is very sad to see such a magnificent structure become a symbol of the decline and ruin of Johannesburg and South Africa.
When is the government going to rename SA with an african name so that it becomes more indicative and synonymous with an african country in its usual state of chaos.

4:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is my first and last visit to this site, recommended by a friend who now lives in the US. The rather narrow minded thinking is pretty scary, I wonder what perpetuates some of the rather unintelligent thoughtlessness of the comments people make. Yes JHB city centre is a dangerous place, a city that decayed from the inside out, not a unique situation. There are cities all over the world that have eaten themselves alive. My comment pertains only those derogatory comments about "blacks" sitting in wait to rape all those hapless "whites"...mmmmmhhh it's this kind of narrow minded, hateful rubbish thinking that creates untoward situations. Don't get me wrong, South Africa needs healing, and it's going to take so long for hearts, minds, destructed lives to completely change dynamics of hatred that ran this country. FYI slums are not just "black" or "white", slums are POVERTY! Be mindful people, there is always, always hope, even for the bigots, the down hearted, the victims, even for you who doesn't see, and not because you are blind...

10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a tragedy. I grew up in Johannesburg and I spent my very last night in the country at the Carlton Hotel way back in 1986. I don't think I'm ever coming back.

11:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Around 1987 I got busted by security guards at about
4 AM on at saturday morning screwing my girlfriend in the Carlton Centre toilets..our parents had to come and collect us.. nostalgia. I remember all the top boutique stores being in the Carlton center. So sad to see JHB has gone to shit. I cannot understand how the city council can even contemplate letting this happen. Financialy does not make sense.

3:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Landrost Hotel is now a housing estate who's conversion was part funded by the EU in 2000. God knows what it looks like today after being a cage for baboons for 8 years and most probably never being cleaned by the resident zoo keeper.

6:05 PM  
Blogger Censorbugbear said...

These are the saddest pictures of a once fine hotel I've seen in a long time. Please post more!

1:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everything the niggers touch, everything they are put in charge of, and every place they inhabit eventually turns into a pot of boiling shit. And inevitably, they blame whitey! It's all "racism"! Whitey keeping the black man down. Lazy, mindless, violent, and perpetually pissed off niggers are a blight on humanity.

2:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the strangest, most pointless website I have ever come across.
I suspect you are just using whatever you can to purge your anger.

1:01 PM  
Anonymous RonelT said...

Hi there, I also grew up in Jhb in the late 60's and early 70's. I have such nice memories of Joubert Park and especially Christmas when they use to do up the park in all fairy tale themes. I still have photographs of little-ole-me next to one of the seven dwarfs. (Bashful mabe) anyway I remember the beautiful block of flats we used to stay in and was wondering if you or any other readers perhaps still have old photographs of Joubert Park or even the "Joubert park se laerskool" yes there was a primary school as well) I was there.

4:49 PM  

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